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How much does the preflop and flop fold equity play here?

[/ QUOTE ]TMTTR - I think I understand what you mean by preflop equity, but what is "flop fold equity"?

At any rate, after the flop it's a new ball game. Then after the turn it may be another new ball game.

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Is open limping from late position ever "correct" in a LO8 game?

[/ QUOTE ]Hmm. Why would it be incorrect?

Omaha-8 is a drawing game. If you figure you'll lose if you miss your draw and win if you make your draw, then you want more opponents calling your raise than the odds are against making your draw. Especially when you take into consideration the chance of having to split the pot with low, you often will not have enough opponents to have favorable odds to initiate fresh money into the pot, but considering the amount that will be in the pot at the showdown, you often will have favorable odds to call a bet.

Thus it is often correct to call a bet (because you consider the total amount that will be in the pot at the showdown when calculating your odds) while at the same time it will be incorrect to raise (because you compare the number of opponents contributing to your odds of making your draw).

I'm not sure if you grasp those principles - but that's the gist of it.

Is it ever correct to call in late position? ...Hello... <font color="red">Of course it is!</font> It's often correct when you're drawing - and you usually are (should be) drawing.

Seems to me we've been over this again and again. Am I missing something?

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OP has acquired a very good draw and the low hasn't come yet.

[/ QUOTE ]Well... he has 8 outs for the high nuts (the non diamond aces, nines and eights). But six of the outs (aces and eights) also enable low.
Hard to know about the diamond ace, nine, and eight. (Hero makes a straight but does Villain make a flush)? Also hard to know about all the remaining cards. Does that constitute a "very good draw"??

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But before OP can decide what to do, the BB leads out. So now is this a tricky move or does he have a real hand?


[/ QUOTE ]Exactly. Hero can't tell where the Hell he is in the hand!

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In O8, I suspect its a "real hand" but that could be a monster draw (which we lead at this point) or a made hand (2 pair or set). Once I get to this position, I don't think I can fold. If you are behind, you have between 5 and 16 outs to scoop the pot...

[/ QUOTE ]Rather vague, isn't it.

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Tough spot --

[/ QUOTE ]Yep.

With only one opponent, Hero doesn't have odds to draw, but the draw does add to Hero's chances. And that is how it happens when you don't have a very good fit with the flop but continue anyhow. Many or most possible turn cards increase your chances somewhat. In this case, after this flop, more than half of the unseen cards would give Hero some sort of increased chance to win - albeit most of them not as good as the jacks.

And Hero can't tell where he's at, can't tell if the pressure is real or a bullying tactic.

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