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Do you still like a fold?

[/ QUOTE ]Micturation Man - I'm not exactly in the fold camp. I'm more in the grimace and call camp. Well.... I don't know.... maybe I would fold with no limpers ahead of me.

But on the button? Well.... I don't know.... I like the position better and from on the button after all folds I'd be seriously considering the possibility of stealing the blinds. I guess if I thought I could get away with stealing more often than not, I might come in with a raise from on the button.

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I would lay very generous odds that we are +EV opening on the button with this hand. Just curious if you agree with that or if you still don't like the hand even then.

[/ QUOTE ]I'm guessing "opening on the button" means coming in with a raise on the button.

I don't play this game like I play Texas hold 'em. Holding either KK or T9s in a Texas hold 'em game, after all folds to me on the button I would open, meaning I would come in with a raise.

I don't play ring games like I play tournaments. Holding KKT9s- at the final table in a tournament, after folds to me, if I played this hand, it would be with a raise and against blind posters I expected would fold.

I would not raise with this hand in a ring game unless I was fairly certain I could steal the blinds and be unchallenged. And stealing the blinds in a typical ring game is just not very realistic. It does sometimes happen, but not much and I think with this hand it's a bad gamble, a long shot.

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