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please to look at the Oakland A's thread for stuff that dumb

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that thread is also like 400 posts shorter, and filled with "wtf rich harden hurt" or other misc. stuff. we get it, billy beane is smart. that doesnt make the entire fanbase a collection of geniuses.

but...yea. manny isn't a better defender than pena. pena is certainly a butcher, but he can play above replacement level cf defense, which the majority of lf'ers can't do.

then again, i'm not sure you'll ever see pena replace ramirez strictly for defensive purposes.