[DavidC]

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Dave, I think the post hand reciprocality analysis shouldn't take hand frequencies into account because you're not analyzing your opponent's range, you're looking at how he played his specific hand.

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lol, this is kinda funny.

I was thinking about long term reciprocity (bb/100) and you're describing short-term reciprocity (bb/this hand).

I think that it's helpful to know the short-term (in order to figure out long term), but long term is where my focus is, and that's why I was asking about how to adjust reciprocity for frequencies.

Now, I wasn't talking about my hand vs his range. I was talking about my hand vs his hand.

i.e. K3345

his aa, my kk, I win 1SB more than he would win if we reversed and he will get dealt aa more often than I get dealt kk...

Do I win 1sb on the hand, or a little more, or a little less? I don't know.

Now, he might get AK in that spot sometimes too, but it doesn't matter, because I'll do a separate reciprocal analysis for that hand when it occurs, or maybe I'll do a weighted reciprocal analysis of all his hands based on their frequency and my hands and their frequencies, etc etc etc. Helluva matrix so I don't really do that, but ... I'm kinda interested in doing it just once so I can figure out the math of poker deeply or whatever.

the other thing that I'm kinda concerned about is how rake works into reciprocal analysis.

Luckily our edges are pretty big, but as edges become smaller between players (as online is becoming) rake might play a pretty big factor in reciprocal analysis (as we get more and more similar to eachother).

We sorta solve that by just keeping track of bb/100 profit and bb/100 rake over large samples and relooking at those stats every few years as the games change, but ... well... again, for completeness, it'd be nice to understand it once, even if i forget it in like a year or something.

--Dave.

edit: I realize I've taken a tilt post and hijacked it into a poker post, which is why I'll have to come back to the thread tomorrow and see the whole tilt side of hte post, again, sorry bro.