[KurtSF]

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TRANSLATION: They sent us their utility bills and credit card information. There is no credit card fraud going on, so we no longer care.

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hahaha

I don't think these guys are bots and even I think thats exactly what happened on FullTilts end

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I do think these guys are bots and even I think that's exactly what happened on FillTilt's end.



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• During the investigation we found the evidence to be inconclusive in supporting either determination (human or bot).

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So your investigating team could not reach a conclusion that multiple accounts playing 100K hands/month with the same stats from the same IP address were humans or bots yet they never asked the players for any more information to help them reach this conclusion (according to nlnut -except for maybe IDs and utility bills)? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I think its pretty clear they either didn't do their own statistical investigation/analysis, or that they completely failed to grasp the significance of the stats. Or both.



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Anyone who says Full Tilt wants bots is talking out of their ass.

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Actions speak louder than words. FTP, and other major poker sites, are acting in such a way as to conform to this ideal (tolerate bots for profits) even if their words say otherwise.


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If I may make one request, it's the following: you (at FTP) have access to every single HH played on your site. The most damning piece of evidence in this thread was the similarity of the many "sweatshopper's" stats which, although they may not be out-and-out bots, clearly (to EVERYONE) indicated some type of automation. Throughout the 1,000+ posts in the other thread, that was the one piece of evidence that no one -- and i mean NO ONE, not even NLnut's supporters -- could explain satisfactorily. We even had stat geeks post their detailed calculations showing how incredibly improbable attaining such uniformity, ESPECIALLY in post-flop actions, would be. I, for one, would be very grateful if you could tell me whether, looking at the unlimited HHs that you have access to and talking it over with the stat geeks on your end, could confirm for us -- and give reasons how -- individual players could possibly achieve that kind of uniformity. You don't have to give us any 'evidence' from THIS case in particular...I just want you, given your access to millions upon millions of HHs, to help this forum understand how those post-flop statistics could come about without some kind of automation. I think this is a fair and reasonable request, and one eminently within your powers.</font>

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