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Old 05-11-2007, 10:10 AM
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Default Re: how do they do it

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"Calling down is only better if he'll donk-bluff the river."

Actually, if you're just calling down, he's only bluffing the river, not donk-bluffing it. Donk-bluffing requires you to 3bet which is what allowed you to be outplayed (albeit, by a donk) in the first place.


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You know this but... Miles is saying that, unless opponent is capable of either the turn 4-bet (semi)bluff or river donkbluff, a calldown is the same as threebetting and folding to further action. So "donk-bluff" is correct in Miles's sentence above.

Guy.

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Yeah I think I misquoted/misinterpreted him. Regardless, calling down is better if any of the following conditions are met:

1) His opponent will ever 4bet bluff the turn.
2) His opponent will ever donkbet bluff a non-improving river (i.e. donkbet Q etc).
3) His opponent will bluff the river ~70% of the time UI.

If any of these is true then it's much better to calldown. Most importantly if #1 or #2 are met even a miniscule portion of the time (#1 is the worst) then calling down is significantly better.

It's actually a really horrible spot for a FSD 3bet with AKo because the conditions have to be so perfect, and in a game of incomplete information they rarely will meet up in such a fashion. If your opponent is the sort to checkraise the turn with a drawing hand (the only condition where 3betting has a chance of being correct), then it's very very very rare that all 3 of the conditions above will not be met in some fashion.

Rob
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