[Micturition Man]

Lol @ David's self-delusions.

You got that completely backward and I really find it hard to believe you don't know that.

The great players, by whatever standard you define "great", are not 2+2 fans. The big 2+2 fans are more typically the 30-60 live nit types.

The great (or supposedly great) old school live players like Chip and Doyle are either not book types or learned poker pre-2+2, or both.

The younger generation great players like Ivey or Rugby or any random tough internet pro either have not read 2+2 books at all, or learned far more from experience and discussion with other pros.

As for great tourney players, whomever they may be, I doubt any of them have been significantly influenced by 2+2 books.

Even strong analytical nerd types have always loved to bash 2+2. From Abdul to Tom Weideman to Chen/Ankemann (though they are too nice to really bash.)

I honestly can't think of a single really impressive poker player who is a strong enthusiast of 2+2 books*. Some of them probably started off reading 2+2 books but then they learn to move beyond them.

Now keep in mind I am not talking about twoplustwo.com, just 2+2 book. This website has probably had a major influence on lots of the great young NL players.

Also I'm not bashing 2+2 books here. They are valuable as far as they go. But to think that great poker players sitting around eagerly devouring the latest 2+2 text is nuts.

Sorry David.


* I have a feeling someone is going to offer Chris Ferugson as a rebuttal, based on his endorsements on the back of some 2+2 books. Not to digress too much but I have always strongly suspected he was just being nice. He's too into game theory to be a real 2+2 fan.