[bilbo-san]

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Thanks to everyone for the responses. FWIW my stats on this guy are over about 2500 hands. My notes on the guy say 'total nit, don't pay this donkey off' (I mean, I've seen ridiculous stuff from this guy like checking down kings in position in a rr pot on a J9334 board)

In the hand when button raised me, I was obv warming up my mouse to slide my chips in and hoping for no diamonds, but when sb shoved, I ended up folding without much thought.

Turns out it was a big mistake and sb had AJdd. Button had 89dd and took it down.

I guess I psyched myself out a bit here and lost sight of one of the truest facts in poker...

UBER NITS SUCK AT POKER

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Clayton: I really hate saying "I told you so".

Oh, no, wait. I LOVE SAYING THAT [censored].

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The thing is, though the fold was bad here, I'm not sure it's a 'bad fold'. I mean, I still think that diamonds are a small part of sb's range there. Especially since button has diamonds like 80% of the time. I don't know I still feel a little sick over the whole thing even though the board went 8,9 and I would have been the victim of a runner runner anyway.

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I'm saying that suited connectors in [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s as well as suited broadway-type big-hands with 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s are all in a 17% VPiP's range for calling here. Especially a 17/7 who, as a general principle, doesn't follow any "3-bet or fold" logic with hands like that (otherwise his pfr would be higher, no?).

And if you had a hand like that, no matter how nitty you are, you aren't ever ccing buttons raise with it. Because you are smart enough to know that the pfr is yet to act and might push an overpair.

So, if he has a hand like that, he's not folding it (too many outs), so he's pushing it.

In other words, none of the action has eliminated these hands from SB's range.