[kaby]

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Kaby, the point is that you have no reason to think you're behind, but plenty of reason to think that you can take it down with a bet. Checking is just asking your opponent to bet, and you fold.

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See my previous post (or please critique it when you think it's incorrect). We are behind to a very loose range on the turn. I know that checking invites our opponent to bet but a calldown is not +ev unless we have a read opponent bets every hand when checked to.

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You also have no reason to think that your opponent will put you on UI overcards and call correctly (if my range is 99+/AJ+, should you call with KJ? 75?).

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I don't think my opponent puts me on a range. I think he goes 'oh bottom pair call' - or 'oh gutshot call'. Unless my pokerstove post is incorrect he has to fold pairs for betting to be correct and I just don't think he's doing that.

Everyone here is generally saying not to bluff at .25/.50, just value bet. Precisely because they'll call down with bottom pair.

So when b/f'ing is no good and c/c'ing is only good if he is very agressive why not go for the neutral ev play?