[Osprey]

Explain to me, in a non high level thinking, A-B-C low level relatively shortstacked game that we're playing, how suited connectors are + EV. You're about 29:1, I believe, to flop 2 pair, which is beating overpairs and such- even less to flop trips. There was a discussion about this in one of the other forums before Full Ring came about, and I worked out, based on probabilities someone supplied, the math for the times you flop a massive draw- I thiink it was 11:1 or 12:1 to flop a big draw, 12 outs and up, and to make calling a preflop raise profitable it still came out to be that you needed your opponent to call 1 bet, and THEN fold to your all in. If you pushed in with your massive draw, and your opponent folds, you don't make enough to cover the times you don't hit your hand and have to fold, and if he calls, you're essentially coin flipping for your stack and you're still not going to cover the times you miss your hand. Unless you think you can fold someone with any 2 cards, I'm not sure that playing suited connectors aggressively and for raises makes great sense. Note, I am not talking about limping into a 5 handed pot to try to flop the mortal nuts- that seems reasonable- but calling raises in position, to play heads up against a pre-flop raiser? I don't think it's a long term winner.