[Don Key E37]

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ok i folded KK preflop, ill never do it again. we all happy now?

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It's not that you folded KK preflop, it's more how you did it.

If you think he isn't shoving over your 4 bet with less than KK, then your 4bet makes no sense. The fact of the matter is that people will shove AK/QQ there all the time making your fold a big, big mistake. Do you honestly think he plays AK any differently?

People need to realize that AA vs KK is just a cooler 100bbs deep between two relatively aggressive tags. Flat calling preflop and check raising the flop might be a better line than 4 betting, it's player dependant. But just don't fold, period.

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I never planned on folding to the shove after I 4 bet. I was kind of on auto pilot and saw I was OOP so I 4 bet. Once I saw his shove and stopped and thought for a moment instead of instacalling like I always do:

He RR an UTG raise, very strong
I cold 4 bet, extremely strong as no one in SSNL does this without a monster
He shoves over that, BG is an aggressive player but not retarded. I didnt think he would do that with AK or QQ, and since I had 2 of the kings that left AA.

His small 3 bet actually save me cause if he makes it like 24 then Im making it like 80 and Im obviously never folding to a shove there, but since I still had a a good amount behind I figured I could fold.


This is the first time Ive folded KK preflop and probably one of the last.
Thats my story and Im stickin with it.[img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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whatever you were right and despite what everyone says I see no problem dumpin kk preflop if you think your beat. I don't do it often/ever really. But there is times when I'm pretty sure I'm beat when I wish I did. And of those times if I did I'd definetly be +EV. NH I say.