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Hey Ansky,

I think the size of your preflop raise, to about 1/10 of your stacks, obligates you to call on the river. If the pot wasn't so large preflop, my analysis would be a bit different. I don't like pushing the turn, because you would be giving your opponent the right odds to call your preflop raise with any pair, as he would be paying 500 to play for your whole stack of 5000, and I don't think he's going to put you on a flush and fold any hand that's ahead of you, at least not very often. If your opponents are going to call raises preflop of 10% of their stack with AcQc, or Jc10c then you have to pay them something when they make their flush for calling that large a raise preflop and that large a flop bet. By calling the 2000 on the river, your opponent playing any pair for trips value paid 500 preflop to play for roughly 3500 of your chips, 1 in 7 exactly. That's almost but not quite the right odds for them to call preflop, but sometimes you'll have an overpair and will make a higher set, which is why you really want to make about 10X as much as you have to pay to see a flop with any pair. Factor in the possibility that he is on pure bluff, or has KK and is putting you on QQ or JJ, and I think a call makes the most sense.

Holdemphile

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This kind of logic just blew my mind. i'm not saying its bad, just completely not how i think of the game.

I never think about my current actions in relation to the odds i gave him preflop. I dont really care/think ebout if he was 'correct to call', i just think about getting money in when i want it in/taking the pot when i can.

whatever i'm not making anyn sense