[Ansky]

To everyone:

This is going to come off as very pretentious, and I will sound like a big [censored], but I'm going to say it anyway. I am not a random donk with 4 posts that comes in with my results oriented thinking asking for generic hand help. I am attempting to generate a discussion about the possible ways to maximize against the most obvious hand ranges that we can come up with for the villain.

Exit, you know that I value your advice in any form, even generic form. But I ask that you go a little further than: "i think i'm pushing the turn. and if you check behind, i think you ahve to call the river bet." While this would suffice for a lot of people who post hands where they simply want to be told what to do, this will not suffice for me.

To all who say once I check the turn, I'm sort of obligated to call the river: Normally I would agree with you that when you check behind with top pair, you should be calling the river bet because by checking you are inducing bluffs. However, in this spot you'd be pretty hard pressed to think of a hand that he could possibly have by the river that would bluff. A flush draw got there on the turn, and there are no straight draws possible (aside from something like 46 or whatever). Because there are no missed draws, and he could not have been floating with junk OOP, there are almost no possible hands that this guy could have that would bluff the river... UNLESS, he is a total moron donkey (which he very well could be). If you think this is the case often enough, then state that. However, if we give our opponent credit at least for having a human brain, than you can find almost 0 hands that would bluff the river.

As for whether he could be value betting with a worse hand: I do not think so. AT, AJ are pretty slim possibilities, and a river bet has very little value with those hands.

On the river, I thought to myself: I can only beat a bluff. Check/call flop, check turn, lead river is so often the betting pattern for a bluff, so I thought I was going to call. Then I realized there were almost no possible bluffing hands. After this I asked myself if he could be value betting any worse hands? I figured most likely not, so I folded.