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personally, i think this post is better suited to MSNL than HSNL where hopefully everyone would already understand this concept, despite the high stakes nature of the game. MSNLers would probably benefit a lot from seeing the EV calcs done.

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while for many here this concept was straightforward, there clearly are people here who are not fully grasping it, despite having very clear EV calculations done out.

i believe there are a lot of successful high stakes players who live by the maxim quoted above by grim (after seeing all the calculations):
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isnt it good to get alot of money in when your ~80% favorite? also, youve already invested about 1/3 of your stack, so i see no reason why you shouldnt shove the turn now.

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most of the time you don't lose much by approaching these situations that way. though it is pathetic if someone still has this view after looking through the calculations in this thread. i have to say that doing the calculations out myself i was surprised by how much you gain by checking the turn here.

if we assume that OP really was playing the stakes he claimed, it really is absurd to say this thread belongs in MSNL. This forum is not reserved only for universally enlightening theory posts that even the best will learn something from. if this forum had more threads discussing concepts similar in difficulty to this one, that would for sure be an improvement.

obviously one would hope players playing 25/50+ would know these concepts, but clearly there are many who do not, and i would be very surprised if most understood just how obvious a decision this is when you work out the EVs

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Ceczar its not that your EV calc's are wrong. You just need to include the % of time the read is off and you incorrectly fold the best hand, i.e., when Villain has AT. You're a good player. The EV calcs aren't sophisticated enough.