[Brad1970]

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Are you seriously ignoring the pot size or are you just stating that in games you play in there isn't enough in the pot getting 9:1 because your opponents don't raise unless you're crushed?

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Let me make this simple......If you are sitting in a rock garden with AK off suit out of position & the flop missed you and some old 80 year old man who hasn't bet since the depression bets into you (or raises)...what do you do? Do you give him credit for some sort of hand? Or do you say...hmmm...that sumbitch is making a move on me. I'm getting odds, so what the hell...I'll call him down with my Ace high & hope I catch.

This is the kind of senario that I see alot. When these clowns get in a pot, they rarely fold which makes it very juicy. But why draw against a made hand? That is my experience in mid limit holdem & I guess I should have been more clear when I made that initial comment.