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Old 03-02-2007, 03:34 PM
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Default Re: 50nl i NEVER fold kings...

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I just want to reiterate a point made earlier: your preflop play is inconsistent with your flop play, and that's the biggest mistake you made in this hand.

Folding to the preflop three-bet against this opponent isn't a huge mistake -- I think you're probably giving up value, but only a few BBs on average, so it's not that big a deal. However, calling preflop and then playing for set value and folding to a c-bet on a dry-as-a-bone board is giving up far more value.

Make up your mind preflop: are you going to the felt on this one or not? If you're not willing to commit your stack on a safe board then fold preflop. If you ARE willing to commit, then realize that your smooth-call preflop is setting a trap, and CRAI that flop (and any other aceless flop). KK can be an incredibly profitable hand if played correctly, or it can be a frustrating and unprofitable hand if played badly. Part of playing it correctly is knowing when to get away from a hand. In this case I wouldn't have a big problem with you folding preflop, and I wouldn't have a any problem with you pushing the flop, but I'm very unhappy to see you play KK for set value at a price of over 10% of your effective stack. Had the preflop three-bet been a minraise, calling for set value would be +EV; at this price, you lose money in the long run by playing the way you did.

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dammit pokey - I was about to write a long winded post about how this might well be a spot where folding KK pre was goot - and that pre/flop play is out of synch and you beat me to it.

I'll just quote yours again for extra emphasis.
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