[Mickey Brausch]

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What does my statement that corporations are not free market entities have to do with monopolies harming consumers? Please connect the dots here.

[/ QUOTE ] Monopolistic power is, in fact, exercised by corporations. For the past century or so, I know of no individual who was not "incorporated" exercicing monopolistic power. Therefore, if monopolies are good for the consumer (as I thought you claimed), then those monopolies were corporations -- which now, suddenly, for you, are not truly free market. They are doing things that are good for the consumer ...yet they are not free market?

What dots are you seeing exactly? Better lie down.

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Without the framework of the state, the corporation cannot exist as we know it.

[/ QUOTE ]We agree.

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Then you must agree that corporations are not free-market entities.

[/ QUOTE ] Only if we accept that a capitalist "free market" and a state that passes and enforces laws are incompatible. (I don't.)

Anything non-Austrian is not capitalist, I guess.

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You've never seen anyone rage against corporations?

[/ QUOTE ] Of course, I have and I know that there is a strong, healthy and promising movement afoot against the excesses of corporate, capitalist greed. But this has not translated to a significant percentage of citizens moving for the abolition of liability-limiting, incorporation laws.

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Moving the goalposts.

[/ QUOTE ] Why am I moving the goalposts? The issue for you might be something else, and quite academic, too, but for me, the issue is the real-life balance of power : so far, an insignificantly small percentage of the population in western democracies seems ready to vote for the abolition of corporate entities[/b].

So, while I might have seen, indeed, lots of people "railing against" corporations (in fact, against capitalism), I have not seen this translating into any sort of serious political movement -- yet...

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You said there's nobody calling for abolition of corporations as we know it, I provided a counterexample. Case closed.

[/ QUOTE ]I should have elaborated on the political context then, as above. Point taken.

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The citizens themselves elect to have a law that allows for the creation of corporations and they also elect to have a mechanism (law courts, etc) that enforces those laws.

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Did you ever "elect" such a thing?

[/ QUOTE ]No, I did not.

But I do not agitate against this situation, there are no significant popular movements afoot to do away with the pertinent legislation, the politicians running for office are clearly stating in their agenda that they will promote corporate power, etc etc. Aren't those implicit but quite clear endorsements by the general public of the current situation?

If the public are not happy with it and they want things changed, where is the agitation against the status quo?

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But the only way to do this is to act in concert with others, if not as a society at least as a significantly large group of like-minded people, who decide on their actions democratically.

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Any time you're ready.

[/ QUOTE ]You are no longer afraid of "mob rule"?? You would be ready to throw your hat in the ring and take action against the establishment? Fascinating.

You are going to do what exactly that is not coercive nor authoritarian, when you will be trying to change things?

Dare I imagine a bed-in ?

Mickey Brausch