Re: Corporations
There are actually very few things I disagree with you on the points expressed in the post.
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Corporations are ... legal constructs that illegitimately shield individuals from liability. They are not free-market entities.
[/ QUOTE ] Unless I missed something, weren't you exculpating monopolistic corporations in another thread ? Now you are saying they are not even entities of the free market?
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Cite plz.
[/ QUOTE ] Fair enough. I take it you deny ever claiming that monopolies do not harm the consumer in an AC society. Could've misunderstood.
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Without the framework of the state, the corporation cannot exist as we know it.
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Note that there has been no citizen call for the abolition of the relevant laws.
[/ QUOTE ]You've never seen anyone rage against corporations?
[/ QUOTE ] Of course, I have and I know that there is a strong, healthy and promising movement afoot against the excesses of corporate, capitalist greed. But this has not translated to a significant percentage of citizens moving for the abolition of liability-limiting, incorporation laws.
And the images you posted of people protesting Starbucks puzzle me. Those protesters vandalizing coffee shops are against capitalism altogether! I do not know what they intend to replace it with (they are not an ideologically coherent movement -- which might be just as well) but I do know that they are raging not just against Globalisation or so-called Neo-Liberalism but against the second component of the term anarcho-capitalism...
Mind you, they seem to mostly demand that the state intervenes and puts a stop to corporate greed.
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The citizens themselves elect to have a law that allows for the creation of corporations and they also elect to have a mechanism (law courts, etc) that enforces those laws.
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Did you ever "elect" such a thing? Can you show me the ballot provision?
I certainly didn't vote for such a thing. So if *you* want such a thing, I think it's fine for you to have that. But, like all such matters, you make the leap from it being acceptable to some portion of the population to assuming it is therefore OK to impose it upon everyone else.
[/ QUOTE ] Ah, here we are, again. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Those ideas might just be workable, or sustainable under the light of day, if we were to start from a theoretical zero point in human development. But when we already have state's laws, actual corporations roaming the earth, and so forth, what are we supposed to do? Ignore the existence of those corporations and their power to limit liability? We can't, of coutse. What we can do is agitate for their weakening and hopefully their eventual elimination.
But the only way to do this is to act in concertn with others, if not as a society at least as a significantly large group of like-minded people, who decide on their actions democratically.
Y'know - typical mob stuff... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Mikey Brausch
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