View Single Post
  #30  
Old 03-01-2007, 09:11 PM
bravos1 bravos1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: looking for the bigger nits
Posts: 7,905
Default Re: Not raising Big pairs PF

[ QUOTE ]
There may a few instances that I don't raise with a big pair before the flop. These are all limit holdem I don't know how or if it would change in no limit.
1) It's a super loose/passive type game and I have QQ or JJ in the SB or BB and 5 people have already limped in.

[/ QUOTE ]

YUCK! You are losing money by not raising here.[ QUOTE ]

EXPLANATION: You raise to make people fold or build the pot if you raise here it's likely everyone else will call anyway

[/ QUOTE ]
Of course they will, and I want them to, I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] money!
[ QUOTE ]

then when the flop comes without a Q but with an A or K you are dead. Even without an A or K it is somewhat likely that someone may have caught two pair, trips or a huge draw in this multiway pot.

[/ QUOTE ]
HAHA.. you already have MUBS and we haven't even see a flop!
[ QUOTE ]

With AA and KK I'm still probably raising from the blinds but with AK,QQ and JJ I don't really see the point.

[/ QUOTE ]
The point is $$$, cash, benjamins, cheddah, what ever you want to call it! At least you are raising AA/KK.
[ QUOTE ]
From early position yes because some may fold but from the blind no.

[/ QUOTE ] Why do you want people to FOLD??? Arrghhh, we are raising for VAL-YOU!
[ QUOTE ]

2) I'm in a loose/aggressive or tight/aggressive game and I have AA or KK in the BB and someone open raises from late position.
EXPLANATION:From the SB you would raise for sure to isolate the raiser and lock out the BB from calling but from the big blind you sometimes may 3bet it but you could also just call hoping to disguise your hand and raise after the aggressive player bets the flop.

[/ QUOTE ] Again, you are losing $$ here. What happens when the guy checks his TT behind on a QJ2 flop? When I most likely have the best hand, I want to have other people putting money in my pot![ QUOTE ]

3) I'm in a loose/aggressive or tight/aggressive game and I haven't played a hand in a long time and it gets folded to me in late position and I have AA I may just limp.
EXPLANATION- The aggressive guys will see this as pure weekness and raise it and maybe if someone has something like AK they threebet it allowing me to cap it when it gets back to me.

[/ QUOTE ] Good job 3betting by the guy w/ AK, at least he is playing good poker. Most people have no clue regarding how the other people around them are playing. You can sit at a table and fold the next 30 hands.. then wake up w/ AA in EP and raise only to have 2 others cold call w/ QTs and KJo. Why do they do this? Because they have no clue what is going on around them, they suck, and they want to give you all their chips.

So you limp AA in late position and go 3 handed to a T42 rainbow flop and get run over by SBs T4o. I see this all the time and usually here "Damn, I can not win w/ AA evah!" right after.
[ QUOTE ]

So I would say in general it's best to raise with all big pairs before the flop but there may be some circumstances when you can mix it up and play it a little differently to throw people off.

[/ QUOTE ]

In limit, there is rarely a case where this is true; at least in the games I have played up to 30/60 live.

I have seen it done in hyper-aggro NL games (referring to a LRR), but I suck at NL, so... no comment.

I will add that there are correct times to limp or cold call with hands like 99-QQ in tourneys, but we are not in that forum.
Reply With Quote