[Harv72b]

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they won't bluff a man who wont fold, but they will value bet. they might try to move you off a hand however (if they recognize you're good).

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This is very true.

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as a simple example if you, a good player (who knows you're good), and a bad player are in a pot and rags flop and the good player bets you shouldn't chase him down without a good draw or quality hand such as a big pocket pair. if you chase him down with AK, AQ that's probably a bad play, because the bad player will call and the good player knows this consequently he has some sort of hand.

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Which is why that is untrue. If I'm in a pot vs. a terrible loose/passive and an ABC TAG, I'm betting that flop 100% of the time with AJ, AT, even KQ. Not because I believe my hand is better than the TAG's (assuming he coldcalled, which by the way, is not a mark of a good TAG), but because I believe I have a value bet vs. the bad player and because I believe this will cause the ABC TAG to fold a better, non-paired hand, sometimes even a small PP. If they both call, I have a pretty easy check/fold on the turn (assuming I don't improve and the pot isn't laying correct odds to see a river).

I know I said above that you should often fold a hand like AQ vs. a good player's EP raise, but when we're talking about that same player raising from later in the order, and especially after a bad player has entered the pot, that's a 3betting hand. You often have a better hand than he does, and you want him to know that so he can get out of the way & let you take the donk's money that time.

Understand, in most situations you're better off just avoiding playing a pot against these players unless/until you feel you can hold your own against them postflop. But, when you do have a hand good enough to enter a pot against them, you should be doing so very aggressively and keeping up the aggression until he gives you a reason to do otherwise.