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Wait..... so who sounds like the idiot??? I'm making the argument here that having black people in this country(which is a DIRECT result of slavery) has ultimately had a positive effect on our culture.... and your argument is THAT PEANUT BUTTER MAY IN FACT HAVE BEEN INVENTED SOONER!? Please explain to me what is counter-factual in my post?

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peanut butter is an example, it wasn't an argument. please read a little more carefully.

my claim is that you can't argue counterfactuals.

"I'm making the argument here that having black people in this country(which is a DIRECT result of slavery) has ultimately had a positive effect on our culture."

this argument is based on complete nonsense. if there was no slavery you can't say what would have happened to this country. you can't even make claims as to the demographics that this country would have. you can't take one element out of a causal chain then extrapolate based on that when you are dealing with such a complex system.