[iRock]

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Because we have 84o in the worst position with 6 limpers in the pot. What scenario do we want the flop to be? 844 and hope someone with A4 gets all in? 84o really doesnt work together. If you are going to play it there are hardly better flops than the one we are with here.

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For all those saying fold u have obv not played deep stack poker.

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Granted I do not have a lot of live experience, but I have played deep stack poker and that really doesnt change for a hand like 84o. 84o is just a really bad hand that is going to get you in more trouble than its worth. With 6 limpers you call and now lets run through some flops.

A8x - probably check fold it

822 - maybe lead and fold to real pressure or get called by a better 8 or at best lower pp who will give up hand later.

842 - unless someone was slowplaying an overpair, you probably will get 1 bet out of hands like 55 and A4, maybe two out of 89 and get stacked by 222.

8810 - maybe a few bets out of people

567 - win a small - decent pot or lose to 89 (unless someone sets).

flops you miss - check fold

the point is there are very few flops where you are going to be ahead and get value out to cover your losses from check folding misses and partial hits. 78 you can straighten out or at least have a situation where someone gets frisky with a draw against your two pair. I have heard those saying "wtf fold preflop?" are good players but i think calling preflop is a mistake.