[Kevin]

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Like I've said before Peyton is a awesome QB but he lucked out in getting great coaches, great players, a great system, a solid GM, etc etc.

If he is drafted by a [censored] team or team with a crappy GM...he becomes just a good QB. So his greatness, which is thought of mainly because of his stats, isn't all on him...just like Brady's/Montana's rings aren't either.

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From 1984 to 1997, the Colts were 88-134.
From 1998 to 2006, the Colts were 92-52.


4 more wins in 5 less seasons.

I have been hearing this a lot lately, things like, "If Peyton played for the Lions or if Peyton played for the Az Cardinals... Truth is, he was drafted by the Lions/Cardinals who were putrid through the first 14 years (except for a scab enhanced division title in '87 and a luckbox 9-7 wildcard run to the AFCCG in '95. They were 3-13 the season prior.

Marvin didn't have a 1000 yard season his first two years (to be fair, WR's tend to reach maturity in season 3). The line, which was nearly exact between '97 & '98 went from 60ish sacks in '97 to less than 20 in '98.

As an aside, I have a question about the love that is bestowed upon Montana. I was 9 when he won his first SB, so, I admit that I while I followed his career (I was an admitted Marino guy), I did not follow him on a game by game basis.


The catch was nice - it was a great catch going way up by Clark to pull it out. Dallas was on the way to a game winning field goal when they fumbled it away. Montana had a couple of real stinkers in the playoffs - including the 49-3 drubbing to the Giants. Since it happened post '81/'84, he gets an eternal pass. If it happened before, it would compared to Manning's 41-0 yuck fest. The play before the Taylor TD in '89 was a pass that was in and out of the hands of a Cincy DB. Just like if Brady completes the 3rd and 4 to Brown, Manning is being lambasted today instead of praised.

The thing is, Young stunk it up for the most part in Tampa. Yet, he comes into Walsh's established system and puts up better numbers than Montana. I am not sure if a young Montana gets through the '92/'93/'95 Cowboys and Young could have very well won against the teams that Montana beat in the '80's.


So, if Young > Montana according to stats and Young was mediocre in Tampa, how is Montana GOAT?

Young in Tampa
1985 tam | 5 | 72 138 52.2 935 6.8 3 8 |
1986 tam | 14 | 195 363 53.7 2282 6.3 8 13 |

Montana in KC
1993 kan | 11 | 181 298 60.7 2144 7.2 13 7 |
| 1994 kan | 14 | 299 493 60.6 3283 6.7 16 9 |


I know that this will met with angst and hatred for questioning the greatness and Clutchiness of Montanalow, but I am not convinced that he was the best QB of the Walsh/Siefert/Niners era, let alone the GOAT.