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Old 02-05-2007, 03:36 PM
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Default Re: How do i extract maximum value from top pro in 100r?

There's no prescription for getting paid with a monster on a blank board like this; sometimes he just has nothing and you won't get paid off unless you let him bluff but that doesn't mean you were wrong if you bet more at some point and blow him off the hand, because you need to get money in somewhere and give him a chance to stack off.

The whole hand goes better for you if you bet more on the flop. If he likes to raise weaker bets and that was why you bet 600, just bet 750 or 800 instead, otherwise bet 900-1000.

Obviously if you knew he was going to make that lame turn bet you would bet yourself, but now that he's done it I would make a c-r to a weird number like 3611 or something, to set up a river shove. What sucks is that his turn bet, assuming it's a bluff sometimes and a value bet sometimes, is only an ok bet the times you have a monster, because it freezes you; when you have a weakish hand like 99 (which is the majority of your range here), he'd be much better off betting like 2500 with both bluffs and value bets, but specifically with 88 out of position you hate his bet size (although it's slightly better for you than if he checked).

I think it's worth noting that he might have a K but you don't; from both your perspectives. His range is wider than yours because he could take that flop line with air, you can't. The weird turn bet is really weird, but I could see it being KQ or something that bluffed the flop, thinks you have 77/99, and wants to get paid/not get stacked by a big hand. It could be that he makes this bet knowing you'll only check raise with a monster, in which case your best line would be to call and check the river, but if he thinks you can bluff at all, he's got to think that bet could induce a bluff. The catch is that it's hard for you to have a bluff, other than maybe 55-77, but I can't imagine him folding a K.

Decent chance he's bluffing but at some point you have to get some money in; by checkraising the turn, or at least betting a decent amount on the river. His range includes a lot of marginal hands so having just called the turn bet, I would bet something like 2500-3000 (half potish) that he can call with a weak hand and raise with a strong hand. I think the time to get money in was with a turn c-r; but by the river just open shoving/potting is not getting called very often, and a check-raise river attempt is going to get checked through too often.
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