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Old 02-02-2007, 05:40 AM
kbinder kbinder is offline
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Default Re: Why Raise with Suited Connectors? (NLHE)

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The idea of raising preflop with PPs and Premium hands is to induce a 3way pot or a heads up so you improve your hand's probability of winning. But with Suited Connectors, they're usually better when there are more than 3 people in a pot because your EV on it skyrockets. So why do some players like to raise like they have PP, regardless of position, with Suited Connectors?

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Not to be a nit, but remember that the EV of any hand increases when there are more people in the pot, simply because there is more money in the pot (obviously assuming hero voluntarily puts in the same amount).

You're not raising premium hands to increase the probability of winning; you're raising to increase EV.

The rate at which the EV increases for SC's is not better than the rate for other categores of hands. Consider some examples:

Example 1: AA

Hand 0: 14.796% 14.52% 00.27% { random }
Hand 1: 85.204% 84.93% 00.27% { AcAd }

In the above hand, if both players put in 1 unit all-in, then hero's EV is .85*2 - 1 = .7 units.

Now let's see what happens to the EV of AA when against 2 players:

Hand 0: 73.43% 73.69% 00.23% { AcAd }
Hand 1: 13.28% 13.01% 00.36% { random }
Hand 2: 13.28% 13.01% 00.36% { random }

Against two unknowns, Hero's EV is .73*3 -1 = 1.20 units

Finally, against 3 unknowns:

Hand 0: 63.822% 63.71% 00.23% { AcAd }
Hand 1: 12.052% 11.61% 00.47% { random }
Hand 2: 12.073% 11.63% 00.46% { random }
Hand 3: 12.052% 11.61% 00.47% { random }

Against three unknowns, Hero's EV is .63*4 - 1 = 1.55 units.

Example 2: 67s

Hand 0: 45.37% 43.21% 02.57% { 7d6d }
Hand 1: 54.63% 52.55% 02.57% { random }

Against a single random hand, your EV is .45*2 - 1 = -.1.

Hand 0: 31.92% 30.51% 01.54% { 7d6d }
Hand 1: 34.04% 32.46% 01.72% { random }
Hand 2: 34.04% 32.46% 01.72% { random }

Against two random ands, your EV increases to .3192*3 - 1 = -.04. Still unprofitable.

Hand 0: 25.06% 23.76% 01.32% { 7d6d }
Hand 1: 24.98% 23.58% 01.42% { random }
Hand 2: 24.98% 23.58% 01.42% { random }
Hand 3: 24.98% 23.58% 01.42% { random }

Against 3 random hands, your hand is BARELY profitable; EV is .0024 units.

Hand 0: 20.754% 19.54% 01.23% { 7d6d }
Hand 1: 19.811% 18.54% 01.28% { random }
Hand 2: 19.812% 18.55% 01.28% { random }
Hand 3: 19.802% 18.54% 01.27% { random }
Hand 4: 19.821% 18.55% 01.28% { random }

Against 4 random opponents, your EV is .04 units. The EV of suited connectors does not skyrocket when there are more players in the pot.

I almost included a third example showing that the rate of EV increasing is better for very speculative hands like A5 or K7, but I think I've made my point.

My post has nothing to do with the benefits of raising SC's in NLHE. Other posts have already addressed these issues more than adequately. I only wanted to point out the flaws in your initial claims about EV, especially the claim that the EV of SC's skyrockets when there are more players in the pot.
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