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[ Not all would but that's why some pros are really good at what they do and that's why players like Chen are ABC players.

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Holy crap how misinformed can someone be? Have you ever played with Bill Chen? Have you ever read any fo his theories or writings? Did you even know who he was before HSP?

Chen is so for and away not an ABC player the absurdity of your comment negates any positive value you may have brought to civilization in the past 5 years.

While Bill may not be the best player at the table, he is certainly not outclassed. And I'll freely wager that wherever Bill sits, he's the smartest player at the table, even if said table is held in a high-level NASA backroom.

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Gimme a break. Smartest player at the table. Whoop de frikkin do. I'd stake Doyle against him any day, any week, any month, any year. Just because he won some tourneys doesn't translate into any high stakes cash game. Based on what I've seen of his play so far he isn't in the same class at this level. Sorry but that's the facts. Until he shows something that could be classified as a real read on someone I won't be budged from my view.

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And you've seen him play what? 6 hands? I've probably played a few thousand against him (as have others in this thread), which is what we've been tryng to tell you. It doesn't take much research on Bill to see how he approaches game situations. Let me know if you think he's still an ABC player.

Saying you'd stake Doyle over Bill is a no-brainer. As I said, Bill isn't the best player at that table, but he is far from the worst. You take Doyle. I'll take Ivey.

Bill entered 4 events at this year's WSOP (and, to be honest, I think they may have been his first 4 WSOP events ever), and won 2. So, assuming he keeps that pace up, and plays every event this year, he'll be the all-around WSOP bracelet winner by this time next year by a large margin. (Since you can base everything about his game on 2 episodes of HS poker, I will predict his future tournament success past on mathmatics and past, proven results.)

He's also done quite well in online MTTs. Not bad for someone who isn't really even a tournament player.

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His tourney results have nothing to do with his high stakes cash game play. Look at his results (I provided the link in an earlier post). Nothing until last years WSOP. OK, he had a great run at the WSOP. I live in LA and we have many, many tourneys here during the year that are $2500+ buy ins and get hundreds of entries. The main difference between his wins and those are that he gets a WSOP bracelet and the competition is a bit tougher (although spread out over more tables). I was kidding about him being a tournament donk. OK. I'll take that back. But please don't elevate him to great tourney player based on 1 month of play last year.