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rotter 2 things you say make absolutly no sense- even though one was adressed already you still defend this statement:

A player like Daniel or Todd or someothers may have raised him there just to test that and then Gabe wouldhave folded. This is why I don't like watching tournament donks play inHSP.


Yea lets see gabe had already put 34k in the pot so basically if you raise him its a raise all in. I really doubt any of these pros are gonna put there hole stack in here with 88 hoping gabe is bluffing (or isnt pot commited with a monster draw)


He decidedthat Chen was a guy he could bluff and that's why he called preflopwith that hand. I was laughing at DN's commentary when Gabe calledpreflop because I knew with 100% certainty what his plan was and DN wasstill shocked that he would be calling.

Well no [censored]. Except Negranu is analyzing the hand live (or as though he saw it live) They wouldnt put the hand on TV for no reason so when he calls 5k with K5 suited obviously he isnt planning on hitting the flop.

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Gabe started with 111k and I don't believe that if he was re-raised all in he would have been pot committed with a weak A. This isn't a tourney. It's real money. This is also the difference between ABC poker - which is what Gabe was playing - and the better pros who would have been able to spot that kind of a move and put him to a big test.

As far as the K5 hand. I agree that the reason I knew right away what Gabes play would be is because they showed it on TV. There had to be a reason they were showing it so I agree that my deduction of it was results oriented to a degree. But when you say he isn't planning on hitting the flop with K5s that's my point. I know that he knew that there were going to be a lot of flops that he could represent a hand with by calling that 5k preflop raise from a player such as Chen.

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I'm going to go ahead and guess you've NEVER made a play like this in your poker life. And if you have, you're not a winning player.

Sure. Dedicate 170 BB's to the pot in HOPES the guy with hte tight image doesn't at least have top pair. Easy to say when you can see the cards.

You appear to be the quintessential, " I know the EXACT right play at all times" guy. When you can see the cards, at least.

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Thank you for proving my point. I am not a high stakes player so you are right, I would not make that move unless I had a dead on tell and this was the point. I believe that some of the better cash game players would have spotted Gabe's move and decided to make him sweat because they would have known that a guy that plays the way Gabe does (ABC+) would not have made that large call on the later street with just an A low kicker. His calls were screaming something that a good pro should have picked up on. A standard player like Chen would fold the 88 on a board like that. A really good cash game player would re-raise and see where he really stood or try to represent a bigger hand. It's a hard point to define and you may be right that the pros don't want to look bad on TV if they do get called and have the worst hand.
My gawd! You're just proving my whole point. I couldn't have said it better. Gabe's move was NOT masterful. That was the point I was making. A better cash game specialist then Chen should have spotted it and pounced. What would Gabe have been calling those raises with? Either a bluff or a monster. He was trying to represent an A low kicker and Chen bought it but if he had really thought about it he should have known that Gabe would not have bet all that money on such a hand.


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You just don't get it. You seem to think these HS guys are otherwordly, and ALWAYS know what's going on, yet it has been shown CONTINUALLY these guys are all just looking to hit hands and get paid off. Big $$$ is almost never going into the pot weak versus aggression.

And lol at gabe being ABC. Yeah, the 2 hands you saw him play were BOTH very ABC, huh? Gabe has more live experince by a mile than anyone at that table but Doyle, and has been playing High stakes for over 30 years now.