[OziBattler]

marty, since no-one else jumped in I will.

limping in and then calling another raise behind you is different to calling two bets cold. Also raising KQs when it is limped to you is different to calling two bets cold. Simply put, all other things being equal, people generally raise because they think they have a good hand and this in turn is likely to devalue your hand if your hand isnt a monster.

I dont really like the idea of assigning a value to a hand preflop for the sake of it. It is much much better to assign a value of your hand by considering all the action that has occured in the hand so far, your reads, the table image, your image etc etc. Once you have determined your hand value you can decide what is the optimum play.

ozi