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[i]You're getting 8 to 1 to call. Let's say the passive guy folds 33% of the time, raises 10% of the time, and calls the rest. You get 9 to 1 57% of the time, 8 to 1 33%, and 6 to 1 or worse the other 10%. That nets out to 8.37 to 1 on calling here, and you're about 10.7 to 1 against hitting your gut-shot on the turn.

If you wanna play this pot, I'd play it to win it. Your 8 or 7 may be outs against the PFR who could easily be on overcards, but the passive player behind you may make them some or all no good (depending on his hand). Raise to push him out, buy the button, and get a free river if you want to play; or with the intention of trying to bet the PFR off his hand on the turn (which I'll do a lot if I raise here and the button folds).

Otherwise I just let this one go cause the price on the flop isn't attractive enough for me to think it's worth it.

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As I said above, the problem with raising is that the button will (probably) 3-bet if he has an over-pair and then bet the turn, costing you an additional BB to look at the turn. If I don´t improve on the turn I intend to fold to a bet (obviously). With implied odds I think just calling and, likely, getting a cheap look at the turn is the way to go. Since I don´t have a read on the guy it´s not unlikely that he is a typical loose passive player and will check the turn if he´s got just overcards (i.e. giving me a free look at the river without the raise on the flop).