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i wouldn't even consider folding in this spot

[/ QUOTE ]Habib - At least consider folding.

What it boils down to is if Hero stays in the hand and can get in a big bet on the river called by both opponents when he makes his hand, he has a slight + e.v. (Or if Hero makes his draw on the turn and can get in a raise, called by both opponents Hero also has a slight + e.v.)

But if Hero stays in the hand and cannot get in a big bet called by both opponents when he makes his hand, then he has a slight - e.v.

I think Hero should stay in the hand too, because Hero has position here, and it should not be clear to his opponents that he necessarily has made his draw if the straight or flush becomes enabled. Thus I think he can probably get that one bet from both opponents, and maybe more.

But if they're both real tight on the river, maybe not.

Can I get that extra bet when I make my hand? That would be my consideration. And that is why I'd at least consider folding to this flop bet.

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