Re: Which Is Better
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So rather than make a statement of which I am not sure i will ask a question? In Sklansky's scenario what two cards do you fold according to the ICM?
If the answer is none then I do not agree with your arguement.
leaponthis
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leap,
[quote[Four good players left. Two have large stacks. 300-600 blinds. Big blind has 100 behind him (700 total). UTG folds. You are on button with 1100 and have KJ offsuit. Call, raise or fold?
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here's how poor the problem is for generalization:
depending on the definition of "large stacks," and in fact which stack is larger, the button or utg, SOME good players if you fold any hand on the button will fold almost every hand to the bb. they will do this so they can rob the other big stack on the next hand, and potentially for a long time. that is, they keep the bubble alive so that they can exploit it, for free chips. hell, some people will even just limp the sb and dump to the sb if they miss and things like that, depending on the stack sizes.
in sklansky's question as well, obviouly it makes no sense to limp an incredibly poor hand in many scenarios. as i said above, often the sb has no really good incentive to try to knock out the 4th place player, so he could easilly fold the sb, leaving you pot commited to crippling yourself with a poor hand.
so basically what i'm saying is that while there may or may not be hands good enough to make moving all in actually superior to just calling, expectations wise, with the exact stack you have in this loose scenario, there are almost certainly hands bad enough you should fold them.
continuing, depending on how big "big" is for the other playerse, and their style of play, etc, if one were to change your 1100 to some other number, all these situations change drastically. this should be obvious as well. if you can make it through the blinds next orbit easy, if you can't, if you have tons of chips, etc.
i hope this sheds more light on the non generalizability of such spots.
c
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