Re: HELP !!!! How do people call this ????
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Why are you playing both $3 and $163 tournies? You are either wasting your time in one, or hopelessly outclassed in the other.
I'd encourage you to remember than noone (well very few) at the high buyin games plays a hand in isolation. They remember your action before, will have been looking at the hands you play and how you have played them.
I'm guessing, but I suspect that your previous action was analysed so that villain in hand #2 put you on air. Are you thinking about the image villain has of you? You claim that you can bluff the straight. Virtually no-one will overbet with the nuts, unless it is a cunning double-bluff against a villain with previous history, so its virtually impossible for villain here to put you on that. Its possible this image was reinforced by you slow-playing some made hands earlier.
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I'm playing the $3 tourney because I have 2 PC's running and 1st spot pays over $6000 (you would've known that if you read the original post, Starts $3 rebuy, take a look at it next time. Was the only other tourney running at the time paying a comparable payout to the Full Tilt one.)\
My table image in the second hand was tight. I was moved to it an hour earlier and folded EVERY hand until the one in question.
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Weak-tight much?
I'll not do what other posters have done, which is use brute force to make you see how horribly bad your plays were.
They were. Surely you can think of better plays than that. If not, well, OK, then there are huge gaps in your game. Which will be very exploitable in the long run by a high-buyin MTT player, and even a good % of 3r players.
Did it occur to you, perhaps, in hand 2 that you could've value-bet this player instead? Fire flop for 800? This "I shoved and got called by a worse hand and he sucked out" results-oriented attitude and the hostility towards other posters is incorrect and will not get you the advice you're seeming to seek.
If you're here to brag about your insignificant result in a $200 buyin, congratulations, BBV will widen your [censored] while calling you a lucky tourney donk.
And they would be right. Bad players frequently go deep or win tournaments, and it is not because they're skilled. It's because tournaments are profitable consistently over a large volume for good, skilled players. But any random donk can win one, regardless of buyin, enough times to keep them all coming back for more.
If you're looking for advice and to learn, whether practically or theortically, you came to the right place, although like with a profusion of advice from varying skill levels, some is bad.
The advice you've gotten so far in this thread hasn't been bad. You've responded to it with results-oriented [censored].
So, can you think of a few better lines for playing hand #2 and extracting value instead of openshoving overpot, holdilng your nose and hoping he calls off his stack on a miracle? If you can't, you're in the wrong forum.
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This thread is too funny.
I counted 8 or 9 direct or indirect personal insults and then stopped counting.
Congratulations. I am honored by your presence if you think that a $100,000 + cash on an online tourney is insignificant.
On keeping with the subject how badly I played this hand, I'd like to bring up an example, believe it or not, where I played QJ suited the ""conventional way"" a few nights back in a FT $5/$10 NL ring game.
I bought in for the standard $400. Didn't play any pots aside of my blinds when it was cheap. Two orbits go by when I have QJ of spades in the BB with $375 left. Cutoff (has $1000 or so) makes it $45 to go, folds to me, and the hand was too pretty not to see a flop for $35 more. Flop comes 3d Qc 4d. I check top pair (instead of lead out, hopefully you all aprove), pot is $95. Cutoff bets $80 (not pot) as I read as a contination bet. So I shove all in costing villian $250 more in a pot that is $255, plus my $250 to call. You guessed it, villian calls with AK high (non diamonds) and my hand holds up.
So I played this hand the conventional way, as many of you have tried to recommend, AND STILL got CALLED down with AK high. Go figure.
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I just figured it out - the conventional way to play QJ UTG with 8BB left in a MTT is to buy into a cash game. Now I see the genius of the OP.
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