[Robin Foolz]

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Robin,

Did you watch the first fight LIVE on Showtime? Lets not forget That Toney has Don King...

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yep i watched it live on showtime. and have since recorded it and watched it again many times. i have watched boxing for over 10 yrs, and with the help of camera angles, replays, box stats when watching them on tv, i feel i have a pretty good idea of what's happening inside the ring. most people shared my opinion of toney winning, and so did the wbc which is why they ordered an immediate rematch only weeks after the first fight. yep close decisions or controversial decisions happen all the time in boxing. they come and go, but this one didn't, this wasn't close. this one was different. this time people clearly thought one fighter won over the other very clearly, hence the wbc making a very rare move by ordering this rematch. they themselves thought the first fight needed to be 'corrected' per say not because the first fight was close, but because one fighter so clearly won over the other yet still lost.

btw, lou duva, peter's promoter, sold 50% of his promotional company to donk king. they are equal partners now. while toney's promoter, dan goosen, on the other hand only has a limited association with donk king (to have toney on showtime instead of hbo). which fighter is more in league with donk king?


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Toney fought at middleweight, but was at his...

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the fact that he walks around 240+lbs and fights at 230+lbs is what makes toney a heavyweight. i don't see how you can try to dispute this. if you walk around as a heavyweight and fight weighing this heavy, that makes you a heavyweight. toney will never weigh below the heavyweight limit at this point in his career.

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His fight against Holyfield was...

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i agree or some points and disagree on others. but opinions on fighting performances are subjective. and hence why i welcome people to make their own opinions about the performances in question by watching them themselves.


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Please don't get me wrong, Toney is a...

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i understand that you admire toney's skills and feel he is selling himself short at winning by not coming in at what you feel is his best possible shape.

i said peter only wins by ko based on what i saw in the first fight (and taking into account the other fights peter and toney have fought) for myself and not based on the scores/outcome. i thought toney outpointed peter decisively in the first, saw how bad a fighter peter is and saw how incredibly bad he looks versus a slick fighter like toney, and thought the only way peter wins against toney is to win via a miracle tko/ko. i was shocked they gave peter the decision at the end, of course. since toney was clearly the better fighter. i see this fight as aa (toney) vs kk peter preflop a hundred times over. toney has all the boxing skill in the world and peter has zero boxing skill. and since this is boxing and not a strongman contest, toney will hands down win the majority of times.

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My pick is Peter...

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i'm hoping for a strong ref like jay nady to warn peter of the rabbit punching. i don't think peter does this on purpose; he is so raw, undisciplined, and so inaccurate with his punches that a lot of his punches can land anywhere on a fighter's body, including the back of the head. with him, it's like sending dummy missiles instead of guided missiles at the target. still, he has to be warned as hitting behind the head is illegal due to the severe harm it can cause the brain.

oh, btw. im watching this fight live (as in i'll be in attendance @ the seminole hard rock). perhaps i'll come back to give a 'live' breakdown.