Thread: 15/30 AK
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Old 02-09-2006, 04:50 PM
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Default Re: 15/30 AK

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The problem with this is that all of your opponents would need to call your raise, and you would need to be correct about the number of outs that you have for this raise to be correct.

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As you probably are aware, the idea is that when some opponents fold, even though it will reduce the value your raise is getting, your winning chances will go up enough to offset that. In dollar terms, when opponents fold, what you gain is your increased winning chances mulitplied by the pot size.

However, I don't have enough experience to know where that balances out in this situation. I suspect that W.Deranged believes that those that fold will not have any winning chances to give you, and those that call will have you soundly beaten, so a raise won't work for either reason: it won't improve your winning chances enough and it won't be for value.

Are you so soundly beaten that your raise won't be for value? If you just look at the nut flush outs, you have 9 outs if an opponent has a made flush, which is roughly 20% equity. Additionally, if someone else has trips, they could make a full house on the river. Someone with trips has 9 outs to a full house, so you have to make your flush and they have to miss their full house. In fact, the 4d will not be an out for you if it makes someone a full house. That means you might only have 8 outs, and you could have equity as low as 8/46 x 37/46 = .14 or 14% (37/46 is the probability someone with trips misses their 9 outs to a full house).
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