[Nuevo99]

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If you have to ask this question you are a douchebag

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So because I came up playing internet poker instead of live poker and am used to those rules I am a douchebag?

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Actually the "rules" are not actually any diffrent in online poker, you just arent as aware of them.

Ive played tons of Internet poker and I dont know of any sites that dont show the hands in order, and allow you to muck the losing hand (if you dont have to show first that is)

The diffrence is the computer is doing it for you, so to call it a "rule" is sort of trivial.

Usually you can see all hands at showdown in the log, or if you have a program that shows them on the screen, but that's for the same reason as the IWTSTH rule, it's to prevent collusion. Since so many people have programs that easily display this information, (or the site has an easily readable log) there really isnt any concept of whether it's unethical or not to look at them.

I think it's just an acceptable part of the game that you do look at them, because it's likely everyone else is looking at them as well. You dont have to ask, and nobody knows if you are looking or not. (I noticed a lot of players who werent even aware that they could look in the log and see everyones showdown hand)

It's not the same in a live game. People can muck their hand and that information is not just readily available to you. You have to ask to see it, and for the person who just mucked their hand you are being just plain rude. (because if they wanted you to know what they had, they wouldnt of mucked...)

Also a BIG diffrence is when you invoke it in a live game, you are letting EVERYONE see what the person had, which makes it even more ruder for them (they mucked the hand, certainly they didnt want everyone to see it).

When you see what they had online, you are the only one taking the action to look up that information (or it's showing up on your screen), which is not as harmful as showing everyone.

So again it's not a rule diffrence in online, it's really just a limitation of how online works versus live play.