[Nuevo99]

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I've used it when the player is supposed to show but won't. There are a few of these types where I play the most. I've called his bet or it was check-check on the river, and his order on the table dictates he show first. The dealer tells him to show but he refuses, and he won't muck either. So I tell the dealer IWTSTH and then show mine.

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This is not really a situation of IWTSTH. He is obligated to show his hand or muck. In situations like this you have every right to see his hand since you called (or he can muck forfeiting the pot). If I dont like the guy I will just sit there not show my hand and simply say "show or muck".

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i was about to post nearly the exact same reply.

also, nate said earlier, "plenty of actions within the rules and within standard etiquette, like waiting for a called bettor to expose his hand first, are things you wouldn't want done to you"

i have no problem whatsoever with someone telling me/waiting for me to "show or muck." dem's the rules.

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What if you are not in the hand, and the bettor refuses to show until the caller shows and then he mucks? Do you think it's okay to use the IWTSTH rule then? (this happens a lot at our casino because the dealers arent very consistant about who shows first)

I think everyone at the table really had a right to see that person's hand since he was supposed to show but most Internet players dont really understand that. However it's probally really against the rules since it's not for the reason of preventing collusion.

Ive done this in the past, but if it's the other way around and the bettor shows and the losing caller mucks, I think it's just plain rude to ask to see his hand. (it's happened to me a ton of times at our casino)

I saw one instance where the person who used the IWTSTH and admited it was just because he wanted to see what the player had, and then the dealer refused to invoke the rule for him anymore that day. That's probally about the only time Ive seen it refused though, it seems they have to oblige almost every time even though rarely is it about collusion.