Thread: 15/30 AK
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Old 02-08-2006, 04:22 PM
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Default Re: 15/30 AK

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I guess you think that the concept of "protecting your hand" only applies to made hands, and not to other types of "strong" hands containing: (1) flush draws, (2) OESDs, or (3) other strong drawing hands that have 8+ discounted outs from a combination of gutshot draw, overcards, and/or backdoor straight or flush draws.

Where I'm coming from was best stated by Sklansky in ToP in a section titled "Raising to Drive Out Opponents": "When you raise to get people out, what you are really doing is raising to cut down their odds. ... In so doing, you have created a situation where the player may make a mistake, according to the Fundamental Theorem of Poker, by either calling or folding. Even when he folds correctly after you raise because he is getting insufficient pot odds to call a double bet, you certainly prefer that to his calling an unraised pot correctly and proceeding to outdraw you and win the pot." (p. 125)


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Raising to protect overcard outs serves you better and it much cheaper to do on the flop. Not on a draw heavy turn where there are 3 other players in the pot, 2 of which who called 2 bets cold on the flop. Throw in the fact that it would suck royally to be 3-bet here.

and the sklansky quote you gave does not apply here...like I said before....we have A high, we don't not have a made hand, we are drawing. If people don't fold, raising is cutting down our own odds.
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