[Surf]

i was having a rough night (i love that i can post whines here and noone cares) but after reading this thread and nearly dying laughing I think I can handle it again.

Thank you so very much. I <3 this forum.

Oh ya, you forgot that overcards have more cards to make straights with. A PP can only use the 1 card, while overs can use 2.

I'll fix your math:

Overcards: 6 outs to improve x 2 straights = 12
PP : 2outs to improve X1 staright x2flushes = 4

Overs are 3:1 favorite. Your math was wrong.

Surf