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Old 12-02-2006, 01:22 PM
Riina Riina is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 Stars QQ, deep, interesting

Perhaps its my lousy english, but i dont get any of this...

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Flop check is good since he would do it with a variety of hands including AK.

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Does this mean your checking through AK as a rule of thumb on this flop? Why? In general im pretty happy and i fire away, i dont feel like im spewing either.

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And no we don't lose value. We are not getting 3 streets of value vs a hand like JJ here, so cutting it down to a 2 street pot is fine.

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I dont get the theory behind this. How does checking this flop convert a 3street hand to a 2street hand? I see how there are only 2 streets left, however by betting a flop you get the same deal if you wish (bet flop, check turn or bet flop, bet turn and folding to a raise for instance) only with a lot more info about your opponents hand and thus much much more potcontrol. So i dont think that argument stands, and fwiw i think any move (in this case the flopcheck) where you give away control of a pot, and thus essential info that crystallises the action to take, is about one of the most valuelosing moves one can make in NLHE.

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I'm calling the river. He's representing absolutely nothing with his line. He would have led the turn with anything that beats you since he can't expect you to bet the turn (you check behind the turn with AK yes?). We must be good here enough to call.

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Agree to disagree then. Lots of people stab if checked to twice in a hand HU, and often they are right doing so. I can understand villains line, if he has trips, boat, a heartdraw or a bluff. Only the latter i wouldn't expect to fire again on the river, but of course it depends on how the villain plays.

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