[SammyKid11]

This is a really fun topic...but I have to agree with an above poster and say that it's far too vague to have any real meaning. TONS of the movies that have been listed (Day After Tomorrow, ConAir, Gone in 60 Seconds all come to mind), while they're nowhere near Oscar contention, are not what I would call "bad" movies. They're movies that were never INTENDED to be serious films with stellar writing, acting, directing. They're movies that were intended to be cheap thrills, and they in one way or another accomplished those goals.

For me, a bad movie is one that goes for something yet fails MISERABLY at it (I tend to be a fairly lax judge of films...so for me, when a movie only somewhat misses its mark, a la "Signs," I call that movie Mediocre, not BAD) . "Alexander" and "Timeline" both come to mind as movies that TOTALLY miss what they were aiming for, and therefore are what I'd call BAD movies.

A lot of what you guys are naming (Payback, Devil's Advocate, Dogma, The Cable Guy - though I'm not a fan, Fallen, Air Force One, What Women Want, A River Runs Through It, Armageddon, Legends of the Fall, The Negotiator, Vanilla Sky, Meet The Parents)...I don't find these to be "bad" movies. Maybe many of them are movies some of you didn't enjoy...and maybe many of them are movies that didn't QUITE hit what they were aiming at...but they aren't movies that objectively SUCK...they're movies that for many people are enjoyable, for many people aren't enjoyable, and for many people are meh.

BAD movies are Battlefield Earth, Gigli, Down To You, Spy Kids, Virtuosity, She-Devil, War of the Worlds, Turner & Hooch, Blues Brothers 2000, etc. These are movies that compLETELY missed what they were going for.

If you're looking for an actor that's never been in an average, mediocre, run-of-the-mill, ho-hum film...that search will be in vain once any actor has made more than 10 real movies. But if you're looking for actors that have never made any real STINKERS, I think they're out there (and maybe some of them have been named already).

Am I willing to think very hard about it at the moment? No. But I think they exist...I just think the definition of "bad" movies has to be closed down a little so as not to include every movie that anyone here didn't personally enjoy.