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Old 11-23-2005, 05:21 PM
El Diablo El Diablo is offline
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Default Re: Was Hachem being unethical?

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I believe that most likley his only reason for wanting Watkinson to fold was becuase he was worried about being drawn out if he was called by too many hands.

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OK, if that is the case, I do not think it was unethical at all.

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blah, this thread is a bit circuitous.

it's ethical if he says or does anything purely to make himself a +ev move.

it's unethical if he says or does anything in any way *because* it would be +ev for another player. particularly, if he does something that is +EV for one player that he wouldn't do for another player in the same spot.

is this the sort of distinction you're making el d?

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As ez says, some +ev tactics are unethical angle shots or against the rules.

However, my basic point was simply this:

Let's ignore the actual table chatter and assume the specific stuff he said was not inherently unethical:

If he is doing something to "save Lee chips" that he wouldn't do if it were a random player in that spot, I think that's unethical.

If he is trying to get Lee to make the action that he would try to make any other player take, I think it's fine.

That's all I'm saying.
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