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i dunno, i dont like limping with aces in the first place, because i dont really limp with any hands, so its suspicious.
and i agree, calling here preflop isnt terrible, and the flop is a no brainer. i guess its just the idea of.... someone thats making this thread in the first place is fairly new at poker, otherwise you would understand that theres no reason not to go broke on this flop everytime. and for me, for someone new to poker... just raise with your good hands, ya know? try to learn proper abc poker before you start trying to play fancy with big hands. i just notice so much with good players this insatiable desire to raise with your marginal hands and to slowplay all your good hands, and you really dont need to do that. and it annoys me when friends or people i wanna help play silly [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Fair enough. FWIW I open-raise with AA here everytime, because I all but never open-limp. But given he did, and given the ridiculous 10xbb raise, I think this is a rare spot I would get "fancy" and just call.
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I think this is results-oriented everyone saying the flat call was bad. The guy makes a big raise from the blinds at limpers, indicating he may be trying to steal the pot now or on the flop. Combine that with a read that he is a loose fish.
Now he is probably not making the big raise with QQ-KK. He could do this with JJ or AK, and he would probably call the limpraise with those hands. However, he is not calling a limpraise with J3o or a lot of stealing hands. When you flat call, he will probably fire at the pot whatever. If he catches a J without a 3, he probably doubles you up.
Now the fact that the short stack called causes a problem by creating a dry sidepot, so you may not get a lot of action if the flop doesn't hit the raiser.
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1506482
pokenum -h js 3d - ah ac
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Js 3d 216131 12.62 1490150 87.03 6023 0.35 0.128
Ac Ah 1490150 87.03 216131 12.62 6023 0.35 0.872