[RayBornert]

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Ray

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i didnt create the problem dude.

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No, but your actually a massive part of the problem.

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the truth is that 4 security holes were created
when the live game moved to the internet

1) the muck is no longer guaranteed to be forgotten
2) sites do not prove their deck selection is random
3) players cannot physically see other players (nor the site)
4) cant prove that the server isn't colluding with a player

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This is so totally irellevent and flawed I can't be bothered to start.

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honest holdem

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Your actually right that something like this is the only way to garauntee a straight-up game. But people don't want to play that game -- they want to play other people on a level playing field. They don't want to learn C++ and spend years programming an uber-bot to do that. They just want to sit down and play poker, their wits against someone elses.

(I actually think a real-money poker site that was specifically designed with bots in mind would be a facinating experiment).


Ray, you seem to have spend so much time constructing defences and justifications for unethical behaviour, that you have started believing in your own madness. Just be straight up and admit that you are A) going against the T&C of the poker sites B) behaving in a way that 99% of players believe is unethical and cheating C) you are doing this for profit. Stop even bothering to defend it, because then we might be able to have a more useful debate about the subject.

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This is so totally irellevent and flawed I can't be bothered to start.

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stig,

i kind of stopped reading when you appeared to ignore
these security issues and aren't willing to discuss them.

the game you want to play on the internet has huge security
holes.

and you seem to be saying that holes wouldn't be an issue
if i'd just agree not to step through them.

prove to me that you're not stepping through the same
holes or do you want me to just accept it on good faith
that you're a good faith player?

go ahead say it ... just say this i know you want to

"ray i want you to trust me"

ray