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"The argument that you might get sucked in for bets postflop is not a reason to fold preflop."

Actually it's the only argument. And it's a good one, for those it applies to, which I guess is me and mike, and most of my opponents over the years. I can testify to thousands of data points on this issue, as the one getting paid all the way postflop by the lower pair who is absolutely certain I have a big pair but calls anyway, and as the one with the lower pair who is absolutely certain I am beat but call all three postflop streets anyway. On every one of those specific hands, the right play, in metaland, for me and my opponents, was to fold preflop.

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But in most of those spots, your opponents were making bad calls postflop. I was referring to the situation where you make good calls postflop. There, the fact that you made good postflop plays and went on to lose money (because you missed) does not make the preflop call bad.

Now, there are spots where some yahoo calls 3 bets cold in a 6 way pot with 43s and finds that he has the necessary pot odds to go to the river where the statement of mine which you have quoted would not be true. But that's not what we are talking about here. Basically, Mike l. in his original post concedes that he has the necessary pot plus implied odds to see a flop but he chose not to do so because of what might happen postflop.

I am simply saying that the remedy there is to play better postflop instead of making a bad preflop fold.