[mikechops]

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+EV comes from -EV decisions from your opponents.


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Because they play differently than they otherwise shouldve had they known your cards.



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No, because they play differently to how they should play if they were making intelligent estimates of your hand range. The Josh Arieh hand I mentioned earlier is an example of somebody making a -EV call that was correct if Josh had flipped his drawing hand over.

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KK is right to call a push vs AA on an AKx flop. Saying it's a bad call (and according to FTOP it is) is results-based thinking.

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You think calling with KK vs AA is a good call if you know the opponent's cards?

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But you don't know he has AA and you can never know for sure. It is a good call in the sense, that out of the range of hands he might have, you are ahead. Saying it is a bad call is wrong. Just as wrong as saying it is a good call because the turn happens to be the case K.

Anyway I don't want to get into a pissing match with you. I've read and learnt from your posts in the past and I think we agree on what optimal play is. It probably seems to others like we are getting a bit nit-picky with each other. If I were writing something I called the FTOP, I'd include hand ranges and EV. If you want to choose a different starting point that's cool, so long as you end up at the same place.