[vulturesrow]

Ok my fault. My opinion is that to some degree, this discussion is more over semantics. Some one said David was trying to be "sciency". The definition of theorem is "an idea that has been proven to be true or assumed to be demonstrable". Mathematics has a slightly different defintion but essentially the same. The FTOP is the rock on which all the rest of good poker play is built. All other things are derived from it. If I know your hand, the FTOP says if I played it differently when not knowing your hand, then I lose money. But the question is, what is the optimal play when I know your hand? If I know you are a LAG who will bet into me street after street with marginal hands but will usually fold if I raise, when I know your cards, is my optimal play to raise when I am ahead or is it to call down? Of course it is to call down. So my mistake if I didnt know your cards would be if I raised you! But against a different player with the exact same cards, it could be completely reversed. The FTOP says nothing about how you should play cards, only that you lose money when you play differently than you would if you knew their cards.