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Old 11-17-2005, 07:43 AM
slong slong is offline
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Default Re: Analysis

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This is exactly right and may be a point that is confusing many. If Player A, who holds the ace-queen suited, chooses to fold, his expectation from that point on zero. If he chooses to play, and perhaps follows the strategy I outlined and it gives him a positive expectation from that point on, then that positive expectation must come from somewhere. In this case it can only come from Player B who holds the jacks. Thus Player B's expectation is now negative from that point on.


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This is so wrong Mason, as I have said before the player with AQs only has a positive expectation with the $110 call because of the dead money in the pot. If there were no blinds and JJ opened for $110 then the expected value of AQs calling the bet is -EV. His +EV is not coming from the player with JJ.


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You're 100 percent correct. But if he folds, all that money goes to Player B. I am saying the same thing.

MM


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This was the question:
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The question is regardless as to whether it is right or wrong to call the raise, if you do go ahead and call it, which hand would you now rather have.


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Your argument that the preflop call by AQs is +EV and therefore it is better to have AQs in this spot is wrong. (Ironic that you actually used this argument since you originally stated that its not about whether the call by AQs is correct or not). AQs can call the preflop raise and win a small percentage of the dead money in the pot but at the end of the day JJ walks away with most of it. JJ is the best hand to have in this spot.

Here is one big difference between NL and Limit players: NL players can fold in big pots. Can you?
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