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When a players says "you win" they are conseding the pot. The other player nows mucks his hand to make room fo rhte dealer to push him the pot. The is a related angle shot that I don't like at all, a player says you win, so his opponent turbo mucks to get his hand in the muck.

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I hate having to waste 5 to 10 minutes out of every hour at the table waiting for people to show their hands. The stupid post-action posturing is often out of control. ("What do you have? Can you beat a pair?" Or the guy who got called waiting to see if the other guy will show first. And so on).

Call me an angle shooter, but I would happily pull that second stunt you mentioned, if it ever came up, because I'm sure it really would teach people a lesson -- when you've been called, cut the crap and turn your cards over (or it could even cost you the pot).

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If it is checked around on the river and I have a marginal hand and I am not the first to show, I will often announce my hand -- "pair of tens" or "Ace high" or whatever. If no one immediately shows their hand after saying this, I table my hand, even if it is out of order. Yeah, I could be giving out information, but about 80% of the time I am good. I would rather keep the game moving (and I don't mind embarrassing the other folks that should have folded in one of the subsequent betting rounds).

You should never say "you win" or "your good" until after you see the other player's hand.