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When a players says "you win" they are conseding the pot. The other player nows mucks his hand to make room fo rhte dealer to push him the pot. The is a related angle shot that I don't like at all, a player says you win, so his opponent turbo mucks to get his hand in the muck.

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I hate having to waste 5 to 10 minutes out of every hour at the table waiting for people to show their hands. The stupid post-action posturing is often out of control. ("What do you have? Can you beat a pair?" Or the guy who got called waiting to see if the other guy will show first. And so on).

Call me an angle shooter, but I would happily pull that second stunt you mentioned, if it ever came up, because I'm sure it really would teach people a lesson -- when you've been called, cut the crap and turn your cards over (or it could even cost you the pot).