[Smurph64]

Table Labatt with Notes



First hand:

Preflop

Bona 15bb Kh 8h
AussieBattler 15bb Js 8s
Stormy455 15bb 6c 4s
Guruman 15bb 5d 10c
Al_Money22 15bb Jd 10d

22pajo 15bb 4h 7s

Str8fish 15bb Ad 4c

Bravos1 15bb 2h 2c
Thrakkar 15bb 5s 9d

Aussiebattler posts .5bb in SB, Stormy455 posts .5bb in BB, Guruman folds, Al_Money22 folds, 22pajo folds, str8fish folds, Bravos1 raises, Thrakkar folds, Bona folds, Aussiebattler reraises, Stormy455folds, Bravos1 calls.



Flop 7sb (2 players)

Ah 6h Jh



Aussiebattler bets, Bravos1 folds



Aussiebattler wins first hand at Labatt+2bb, Stormy455 -.5bb, Bravos -1.5bb.



GURUMAN



T5o utg fold - after reading Boz's post (and considering its probable effect on everyone else's play) I know that there is going to be some kind of craziness in behind me. Since I don't anticipate having much fold equity and this is a trash hand anyway I pitch. My counterstrategy will be to get into position to flop a hand and valuebet relentlessly.




AL_MONEY22



For table Labatt.. 10Js UTG+1 is a fold for me. Limping is at a loose table would be fine but I would fold this here.



BONA



FYI I am having lots of trouble estimating the "windage" that will be created by each player being required to play a hand in each round. example: the best starting hand I have is in late position but it may become a nightmare if I have to act on a 2 or 3 bet ahead of me. If that happens I might wish I had limped a much inferior hand that I already folded on another table?



Does this tell me that I should "stall around" as much as possible to get information before I act on any hand that I might have to play? That’s just one consideration though. Estimating the effect will permeate all hands I think. Do you think the "must play one" structure makes sense? Or maybe you wanted it spinning this much to see how people would react?



fold behind to raiser with two blinds to act.



22PAJO



Hand: 4h 7s
My action: Fold
Reasons: low card, un suited, 3 gapped. a very weak hand



STR8FISH



Aussiebattler posts .5bb in SB, Stormy455 posts .5bb in BB, Guruman folds, Al_Money22 folds, 22pajo folds,Str8fish Ad 4c in position 7 - Folds.



Another quality hand. Looks like I'm in MP2 with Ad4c. I have no competition that limped in behind me, but I still have 5 other opponents ahead of me here who have yet to act. A ton of Ax hands have me completely dominated and at best against them, I'd want to hit my 4 and A and not have it be counterfeited by the board. If the 4 doesn't hit, then at most I can hope for is a split. One possibility for this hand is to hit the wheel, although in some instances, something like a 6 can dominate me if the board comes out 2345. I'd have to hope for a board that is 235 as the possibility of someone playing 64 is very slim. To have a good chance of winning the hand, the flop would have to come out the following: A4x [(3*3*48)*3=432], AA4 [(3*2*3)*3=54], 44x [(3*2*48)*3=288], 23x [(4*4*48)*3=768], 567 [(4*4*4)*3=192], 356 [(4*4*4)*3=192], xdxdxd [(12*11*10)=1320], Axdxd [(3*12*11)*3=1188], AAA [(3*2*1)=6], 444 [(3*2*1)=6]. So let's see... that takes care of 2-pair,straight, flush, boat, and quads that could occur for me to continue beyond the flop. Total combination of flops that could occur is 50*49*48=117600, and total flops that I would continue with are 4446, so that's 3.8% of the possible flops to come out favorable for me. Those odds lay us 25:1 on a call here. I don't think there's that many people at the table, so yea, it's a definite fold.



If I throw Ad4c into PokerStove for [censored] and giggles against my now 5 random hand opponents, I get:



equity (%) win (%) tie (%)

Hand 1: 17.4858 % 15.74% 01.76% { Ad4c }

Hand 2: 16.4935 % 15.24% 01.26% { random }

Hand 3: 16.5019 % 15.25% 01.26% { random }

Hand 4: 16.5136 % 15.27% 01.26% { random }

Hand 5: 16.5084 % 15.26% 01.26% { random }

Hand 6: 16.4969 % 15.25% 01.25% { random }

So looks like I win this hand 15.74% of the time, split 1.76% of the time. I have no real equity advantage over even a random hand, much less 5 of them. A raise would be completely awful as any hands that 3-bet us have us very easily dominated. Plus the fact that we don't have an equity advantage TO raise in the first place. Limping would also be awful as even if it's folded to the blind, we still have only a slight advantage over a single random hand. We'd still need to get through 4 other opponents as well and hope that they fold.

I think I've thoroughly convinced you that Ad4c is absolute crap.



I fold.



BRAVOS1




Bravos raises his ducks (2h2c)! In HJ, on a tight table, let's raise it up and try to take it now or possibly on the flop.



Bravos calls the reraise from the SB looking for a favorable flop.



Brovos folds his WAY under pair. Flop was about as bad as one could hope for w/ 22 against a 3-better.



My comments/thoughts on the Labatt hand.



22 in HJ is an easy open raise at a table like this.

After Asissie 3bets, I call looking for a good flop.



I was a bit suprised when I saw Aussie's hand. I do not think J8s is strong enough to 3bet PF against an open raise from HJ. The range of an open from the HJ is larger, but not just any 2 cards.



If this were a real game played at .5/1 or 1/2, I guarantee that Assie does not 3bet there. Take that for what it's worth and feel free to post this in the thread.









THRAKKAR

Here's my reasoning behind this decision:



95o after a raise is just NOT playable. From the 5 hands I have already folded 1 (42o UTG at Lakeport). The 4 remaining also suck, but since I have posted a SB on table Sleeman I don't need to play this crap for 2 bets. So I happily fold 95o.



AUSSIEBATTLER





Labatt



Aussies raises. blind defence time



I will type up and send a decent explanation later



Cheers



Aussie reraises out of the blind. lets play poker [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]



did u get my action for labbatt?



I RAISE. Bravos aint stealing my blind just yet [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]



ive been busy with my kids so i havent got time to type up my reasoning (even though its in my head)...ill send that tonight



Comments: Aussie 3bets! Short version: Cos I don’t hate my hand, this is one orbit and I want to play poker. Blind defence time.

Longer version: have J8s in the first blind. Bravos raised. Im immediately getting 4:1 if I just call. I don’t hate J8s given that its likely Bravos is raising any playable hand here, even marginal ones. Maybe Ive lucked out and he has a preflop monster. No Mubs here just yet. Im expecting that Bravos is raising any pair, any broadway, any ace, any king, any queen (except with maybe a really bad kicker), many suited connectors/1 gappers. That’s a pretty wide range. I also plugged in J8s into pokerstove versus the top 40% of hands and depending on what I hands I use I was at worst a 40/60 dog (all calculations approximate). So I am at least calling. Now to raise? Yeah, Im raising it up since I don’t want to give Stormy 5:1 on a flat call and I want to take the lead and put Bravos to the test. Lets play poker!. Bravos will know that I know his raise looks like a steal and therefore he will know that I am quite capable of 3betting light and therefore he just might cap me light also. I am half expecting this but I wont automatically put him on a big hand just cos he caps. If he caps I insta-call and see a flop. Im undecided as to what line I will take post flop if I wiff…..but my jedi-senses tell me Im going to flop at least a pair. Word.



Labatt
Aussie bets

Comment: I have the lead and anything other than a bet here is silly. I got what I wanted. I paired my Jack and whilst I am not thrilled about the monotone flop or the Ace I am going to believe I have the best hand until bravos fights back. Getting 8:1 he is priced to call with a 5 outer or better so I expect a call here. A bet here really doesn’t reveal anything about whether I made a hand on the flop as Im expected to bet here with many holdings. I plan on betting the turn if called. This hand will get interesting if/when he raises. FWIW Im going to assume that bravos is not going to totally screwplay me on this hand. I cant narrow his hand down much at this point from the preflop range Ive already listed but because he didn’t cap preflop I will rule out at least AA-1010, AK, Aqs. So I conclude Im only behind to AJ-A2, JK-J9, a set of 6s and a flopped flush. Im harldy worried about a set or flopped flush at this point. Im also concerned that he might have a 4 flush but lets see what happens. Action to bravos.



Comment: No brainer. I bet. Nothing has changed. I bet and expect that my hand is goot until I see otherwise. lets see if Ive been slowplayed......action to Mr Bravos



colin. I dont have any comments for labatt other than what I already sent you.. if you are missing a comment for any of my actions (I sent one for each) then let me know. thx



I wonder if people will love or hate my preflop.....





STORMY455

I fold. Can't call 2.5 bets with low offsuit cards